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I do not exist, therefore I can not be found in many places, including those in which you might think that you see me. Of course, if you think that you don't see me, that might well be me, and you may have caught me in the act of not being there. Or not.

I am not The Stig. I am not Michael Knight. I am not René Descartes. I am not a diety. I am not Fake Steve Jobs (who apparently no longer exists!) I am not a member of the Campus Crusade for Chaos and Confusion, which itself does not exist. I am not a number, I am a human being. I am not an imaginary number. I am not here (although you are). I am not the very model of a modern major general. I am not editing this page right now. I am not alone. I am not in the Campus Crusade for Creative Computation, which does not yet exist. I am not doing all this before, and yet I will do all of it again (and again (and again (and again))). I am not in a maze of twisty passages all alike. It is not dark. I am not likely to be eaten by a grue. I am not who you think I am. No, not them. No, not them either. I am not a bench. I am not Alan Smithee Je ne parle pas français. Je pense donc je ne suis pas. I am not from a non-existent Congressional district.

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2007-10-02 11:22:59   i agree you don't exist. solipsism says it! i especially liked talking to you about that one subject. tomorrow's the meeting. i definitely won't see you there. chao! —JessicaRockwell

2007-10-06 10:57:17   You're right! You didn't see me there! Perhaps you don't exist either. My schedule is kinda wacky, being a nonexistent person, so sometimes you will not see me there, and sometimes you REALLY won't see me there. But you really should give me a more real-time method to contact you, as the Wiki is not a good way to let me know where you will be tomorrow, since I may not look at it until many days later.

-See you (or not) soon... —IDoNotExist

2007-10-06 16:07:02   my e-mail address: jnrockwell(at)ucdavis(dot)edu —JessicaRockwell

2008-01-06 09:09:33   The trick to Bargain Barn is to only make a bid of what you think the item is worth. Each department sets its own asking prices and some of them are very proud of what they are selling. Most of the time though if an item doesn't sell at the asking price the accepted bid will be much more reasonable. —JasonAller

2008-01-06 14:04:04   I've bidded down items to 35% of list price at the bargain barn. The longer the item is there, the more desperate the departments selling the items get. If the items are overvalued, nobody will buy them and the accepted bids for them will get lower and lower. —WilliamLewis

2008-02-11 10:01:23   Hey! I am currently in another state looking to move to Davis in July! I have a dog and cat and saw that you preferred another apartmen complex to Stongate Village Apartments - may I ask which one? I am tying to find a place to live w/o ever being able to visit! ROUGH! —Kristi

2008-02-11 10:42:16   Hey, Kristi. Check out The Trees. They are very popular with people with pets, and are the home of many pet owning vet students. The complex I wound up choosing does not take dogs, so far as I know, although there are many cats here, as well as a VERY large rabbit. —IDoNotExist

2008-02-29 03:01:36   Yeah... if they add it again, I'm going to talk with them about it. I'm guessing there's some kind of reason on both sides. Mine is simple: the top image should represent the subject so you can mentally identify "okay, that's what we're talking about". A logo doesn't really do that if you're apartment shopping or trying to remember the name of an apartment complex somebody lives at. A photo does help. Maybe they changed something and want it down because they repainted or some other action where it doesn't represent the current state, but generally the wiki method is to mark it as outdated and use it until somebody provides something better. (And now that I've written that all out, I'll cut and paste it to them if it is needed). —JabberWokky

2008-03-10 20:07:29   Dominant violin strings are not the best. Are the strings for you? (Do you play?) I personally don't really like Watermelon Music, but I'm also an Ifshins snob. They just moved to El Cerrito if you were a serious player and wanted to get some great help. But as far as Watermelon having Dominant, I believe they do. —MichelleAccurso

2008-03-10 21:09:06   I would like to say that quantifiers, especially universal ones, would be nice for your page. Then again, to say that for all things, that they are not you, doesn't necessitate that you don't exist, simply that you are out of our domain.. somehow.. always, maybe a worm hole can bring you back? maybe you are Micheal Criton? Maybe you are stuck in quantum superimposition... or maybe you are just Max Headroom.. but I wonder, what do you mean when you say exist? —DavidPoole

2008-03-10 21:59:55   Michael Crichton? Blech. Bad, plotless, pseudoscientific writing designed to cause fear in whatever the latest technological trends are.

Exist: to be. Or not to be. Perhaps that is your question? —IDoNotExist

2008-03-25 10:18:01   Good idea! The templates are edited and managed just like any other entry. I added a "Non Food Features" field to the Restaurant template, but it could be tweaked. —JabberWokky

2008-03-25 12:19:21   You mean like the map button at the top of any entry with an Address() macro? See most of the restaurants and business entries for examples. This kind of backend stuff is best discussed at the hub, but I can tell you that the idea about database fields isn't easily done with the current setup. If you didn't know, I write wiki software too, but not the software that runs DavisWiki. Mine is much more oriented to commercial use (newspapers, etc), and does the kinds of things you're talking about, pulling from databases, etc. It's also, as a result, more complicated (I'm working on methods to simplify it for community use, but it's tough to have both). Part of the success behind Davis Wiki is the simplicity, so there's a fairly high inertia to anything that makes it more complex (it has to have a serious benefit). —JabberWokky

2008-03-31 18:15:11   Today is Caesar Chavez Day in California and a couple other states. I'm trying to do more holidays, especially local ones. Somebody needs to find City of Davis declared days. I seem to recall them declaring at least a couple commemorative days. Everybody knows the big national ones; I'm trying for some of the more local and minor ones (starting off with the state holidays like this and Juneteenth). —JabberWokky

2008-04-06 17:02:04   Upload the file to the Apartments page. Other people can update it by replacing the file, at least for now. —PhilipNeustrom

2008-04-06 17:07:03   Nifty apartment map. Have you considered making it a collaborative map? I need to try to import some kml into a shared map. —JasonAller

2008-04-06 17:11:50   Google Docs will let you share an Excel file. It work very well. Let me know if you need help getting going. —JasonAller

2008-04-06 17:21:06   Sure, just upload the file here. —JasonAller

2008-04-06 17:31:18   can you upload it as a regular excel file? —JasonAller

2008-04-06 17:38:33   How about .csv? —JasonAller

2008-04-18 21:35:21   the outside plastic things at burger and brew roll up, and I think thats how there gonna make the semi outside seating cool... It was an outdoor patio before the remodel... —StevenDaubert

2008-04-19 00:08:22   turn the fans on high?

I dunno, I usually take out anyways! —StevenDaubert

2008-05-16 19:51:51   Visit Wiki Spot to learn more about the software that runs Daviswiki. —JasonAller

2008-05-16 20:10:01   (See Jason's comment for info on Wiki Spot) Some people have successfully installed and are very happy with it. It really depends on what your goal is. If you want to have a private wiki for your own personal use, there are editors (applications that run on your computer) that are wikis. These are typical applications that are easy to install and set up. Sycamore requires setting up a web server, database server and configuring the software. If you're comfortable with that (or just like tinkering), it isn't terribly difficult. —JabberWokky

2008-05-17 01:04:09   I'd kick the discussion over to the Wiki Spot FAQ. There aren't really any zealots on Wiki Spot at this point who will try to "sell you" a solution: we're all pretty realistic about the fact that there isn't a "one size fits all" solution. Moving the discussion there would get more eyes on the question. —JabberWokky

2008-05-31 21:20:09   Watermelon has Dominant, Vision, Infeld Red and Blue, and the major Pirastro products. —BuyLocal

2008-07-22 16:22:25   I am overly cautious about posting on the main page. Where would be a good place to do that? —SunjeetBaadkar

2008-07-22 21:14:18   You mentioned posting the Wiki BBQ I'm trying to plan on the front page, but I wouldn't know where to put it. —SunjeetBaadkar

2008-07-24 00:51:04   Don't forget to archive old pics when you add a new one :) —BrandonBarrette

2008-07-24 14:22:23   Yes. Such things should go to Bug Reports. That said, it just sped up for me. How about on your end? —JabberWokky

2008-07-24 15:11:24   Barbaric yalp :-P I chuckled when I read that. I'm considering asking my students to call me "O Captain, my captain" —BrandonBarrette

2008-07-31 00:34:36   just put up my mystery pic but it's now gone. do u have any ideas? —BaaaamBi

2008-08-06 13:44:49   You really should be commenting about those issues at Project Sycamore. I don't really have much to do with the coding of Sycamore (the underlying software that runs Davis Wiki). That said, there is a planned roadmap for the future which does include smarter parsing and storage and thus presumably a more intelligent search. —JabberWokky

2008-08-07 09:16:08   I don't know. Bob sounds more like a water diversion canal than a bridge. But parents back then had strange ideas about naming their babies... —TheAmazingLarry

2008-08-09 01:40:20   Mm, much of the sccc stuff makes me wonder how many folks around town have a concealed carry statistic, that really should be a public figure.. —DavidPoole

2008-08-14 15:31:15   Re: link — I think you may have to upload the image to the page? I didn't see anything with that name listed in the files area (Info -> Files) —PhilipNeustrom

2008-08-14 22:39:15   What do you think of the name the species answer? —StevenDaubert

2008-08-15 00:34:57   ¬_¬ —StevenDaubert

2008-08-17 10:35:06   I noticed the "scroll up and down" illusion, thought about commenting on it, but decided it was probably too specific to mention (i.e., that people wouldn't be able to reproduce it without WAY more explanation that it was worth). Neat effect, though. —JabberWokky

2008-08-17 15:27:04   I seldom use the comment function... even when it looks like it, I often hit edit and use a macro on my home system to autoinsert the date code. Hang on... this is via your comment... —JabberWokky

2008-08-17 15:28:16   It posted and your page came back in something under two seconds. I started a timer on my Palm and I couldn't even time it it was so quick. A single test, but I'll keep an eye out and see if I notice. —JabberWokky

2008-08-17 16:19:49   Looking at the server graphs, there was a period of higher cpu usage and an odd spike in memory usage. It's quite possible I just happened to catch your message right after it ended. —JabberWokky

2008-08-18 08:24:51   Jason is cleaning up things left over when Wiki Spot was launched. Prior to that, all the user entries were like /BobDobbs, and afterwards they were /Users/BobDobbs. To make the existing links to user entries work, they were automatically renamed and a redirect put in. Jason is cleaning that up by changing all the ["BobDobbs"] to ["Users/BobDobbs"]. Some people think it's unneeded, but it's one of those little tasks that makes things more simple for new users (since new users had examples of signatures that didn't work for their new accounts without a redirect). Basically, the structure of the wiki underwent a massive change and there was a hack put in place. Jason's cleaning up the hack. —JabberWokky

2008-08-18 11:52:45   I think there's no reason to worry if not everybody likes the use of hints in the Mystery Picture game. There's probably no aspect of the wiki that everybody agrees on. Also, I agree that the halving-the-city questioning technique isn't very fun. Questions should be used only as a very last resort, after all hints have been exhausted, and even then, only yes/no questions should be asked, and only to confirm a genuine suspicion of the object's location. —TheAmazingLarry

2008-08-19 18:43:30   It was so nice of you to exist yesterday! —CurlyGirl26

2008-08-22 13:12:07   I am not a number! I am a free man!!! —JabberWokky

2008-08-25 23:34:37   May I suggest that you add to your list: I am not a pipe See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images it is the source of a famous discussion of reality, representations of reality, and art. And Magritte is just cool. —NotTires

2008-08-29 00:09:56   I don't know if you've ever seen my "burma shave" messages strung out on the RC, but I've always liked them as fleeting patterns: after they are broken up into the edit histories for the individual entries, you can never read them again. —JabberWokky

2008-08-31 00:17:36   Hope you have a good trip. I did end up seeing my dad. I didn't get there until rather late, but better late than never. He actually arrived in Sacramento so I didn't have to go far. I wanted to see him before he left again. —CurlyGirl26

2008-09-06 14:49:23   Celerity is a common term in certain circles due to it being used as a class of supernatural powers (relating to speed and dexterity) in the World of Darkness games1. As a result, I always think of vampires when I see it. :) —JabberWokky

2008-09-09 19:12:19   I got some celerity a couple days ago, it helped my own those pesky space marines cause I moved 33% quicker —StevenDaubert

2008-09-23 20:04:44   We're in northern California for a week and a half for a family wedding. Sarah's still got at least 18 months left before we move out of Pennsylvania. We're doing the family thing in the Bay area this past weekend and first half of the week and heading up to Sacto/Davis for the latter half of the week and this coming weekend. —JabberWokky

2008-09-24 13:05:49   This week I will not be having any coffee, bagels or donuts. Well, maybe coffee, but it will be of the German variety. I will certainly be found at future days of coffee, bagels, and donuts once I get back to my homeland. —StaceyEllis

2008-09-26 18:38:47   Hey, a nice way to do the Presidential Debates entry is to use the Event Board and add a public place to watch the debate (one of the restaurants with TVs) or something like that. An entry to list the locations then could be cross-linked. Not everybody uses LiveJournal, and as people in Davis are voting, and the debate is broadcast here, it kind of makes sense to list resources for those who don't have televisions. One of the bars or cafes with televisions may be planning on having it on. For UCD students, knowing if they are going to be shown publically on campus would likely be useful. Here's a list of the upcoming ones. —JabberWokky

2008-09-29 20:58:11   You would be surprised how much signal you can hide in that much noise. :) —BrentLaabs

2008-10-04 14:13:57   Unfortunately this weekend is too busy and isn't going to work out. However, the plans I had with my boyfriend next weekend fell through, so if you (and the other said party who wants to meet me) are available, I propose a gathering then. —StaceyEllis

2008-10-05 21:09:53   Saturday should work just fine. Details to be worked out at some point between now and then, I assume. —StaceyEllis

2008-10-10 09:57:39   Thank you! —CurlyGirl26

2008-10-18 10:43:38   Hey, I'm sorry. I effed up last night. Let's get together soon. —CurlyGirl26

2008-10-26 13:09:40   new place is quickly —StevenDaubert

2008-10-29 17:03:06   Hi IDoNotExist. I am astonished to be talking to one who does not exist, but then, you spoke to one who is covert, so I guess logic is just out the window at this point.

You had asked, "I'm wondering what your thoughts are on life as a professor. How is it different than you might have expected? Do you get to spend as much time as you would like on your research? What suggestions do you have for the future professors out there?"

Well, I could go on and on, but I'll give you what comes to mind first, and feel free to ask more questions if you have them.

I like being a professor quite a bit. It is extremely rewarding to be able to expose students to things that they may not have come across before, and to get them to think about them. I also enjoy researching; it's wonderful to have a community of people to share ideas with, since most people don't have a background in the sort of work I do. Service... well, that's less exciting, but it has its moments. :-)

One thing that is different from what I expected is how little time I have. I always wondered why my professors seemed so busy — now I know. Basically, there is an infinite amount of work that you could be doing, and a lot of it you would really like to be doing. But it's nice to have a life, too. So, you have to learn how to be satisfied with the amount of work you are getting done and still be satisfied with your non-academic life. It's a balance I am still striving to achieve. So, do I have enough time for research? Enough to satisfy the powers-that-be, yes. Enough to do everything I want to do? No, there are things I am dying to do, projects on the pile that I may never get to. But I guess it's better that way than to have nothing I want to do. :-)

Suggestions for future professors... hmmm... One is, know what you want in terms of a balance of research and teaching, and try to find a university that has a good fit. But accept that jobs are scarce, and so you may not be able to find your ideal job, initially or ever. Another is not too put too much time into your lectures (it's a mistake almost every new prof makes) — you realize that there's only so much you can get across in a lecture, and that after awhile there is a real diminishing return in the amount of time you put in. Yet another is to go to conferences (never too early to start) and make friends. This doesn't mean suck up to the big names in the field (though many try that route), this means get to know people working on subjects you are interested in. It will pay off in multiple ways. And for my last suggestion... learn how to say "no" to things that won't help you (you especially don't want to agree to too much service work when you're starting out) and "yes" to opportunities that allow your name to be known and get you to meet people in your field. Sounds simple, but the "no" part is especially hard.

Ok, that's it for now. —CovertProfessor

P.S. Oh, I forgot to mention one thing. Even though you work a gazillion hours, you are the one who is in charge of them, and you are more or less you're own boss. I'd much rather have it that way than work a 9 to 5 job any day.

2008-10-29 17:37:59   I think I'm talking to myself? But I can't see myself, so I'm not sure.

"I'd not heard about the service component before. What is it?"

On the department level: committees, advising, chair (avoid if you can!). At the college/university level: more committees. Beyond the university: refereeing for journals, being involved in the work of societies, donating time to things related to your area of specialization. No one gets tenure becaue they did a lot of service, but everyone has to do some of it. It's remarkably easy to get sucked into too much, so again, learn how to say "no." (As in: "I'd really like to, but I have this big project I'm working on" — everyone expects that your research will come first, especially as a new faculty member).

"I've seen many profs working very very long hours up until they get tenure. How long does tenure take to achieve? What makes someone well qualified for tenure? What makes them unqualified? Is it all about being able to bring in funding?"

Generally 6 yrs, though it can vary from univ to univ. Requirements for tenure also vary from univ to univ, and from area to area. It's a good thing to try to find out (stealthily) when interviewing for a job. There's much more emphasis on bringing in funding in the sciences than in other areas, but in general, the main thing is publishing in peer reviewed journals. You usually need to have at least decent teaching reviews, too, though again, that depends on whether you're at a more research-oriented univ or more teaching-oriented (which would usually have lower expectations for #s of articles published). Some areas expect a book.

"I've also heard much of politics being a big thing among professors - fighting for lab space, funding, and whatever else professors fight over (what DO they fight over?) How do you handle the politics? What causes it? Can it be avoided?"

I don't think we're any more or less political than anyone else, but there can be infighting when there are perceived unfairnesses. You can have people thinking they are big shots and deserve more than everyone else. A congenial department is worth its weight in gold. Try to get a sense of that when you interview if you can. And if you're untenured, just try to stay out of it. Focus on your research and teaching, be polite to everyone, and keep your mouth shut (I wasn't very good at the latter, but it's good advice nonetheless). —CovertProfessor

2008-10-29 18:17:12   "If a professor talks on the wiki, but can't hear themselves, do they make a sound? How do your grad students find you, being so covert? :-)"

I am like batman — right in front of your eyes, but you don't see my true identity. :)

"How hard is it to get grants?"

There's no universal answer — it depends on who you're applying to. It's hard. You really have to know your audience and tailor to them (e.g., if they are not specialists in your field, you have to write in ways that are understandable to them). You have to dot all your i's and cross all your t's. Grant apps are a real PITA, to tell the truth.

"What makes for a good prof. applicant?"

Again, varies from field to field, but you want proof of good research done (ideally, with some papers published). Some fields expect you to postdoc, some don't. You'll want to have people write letters for you who can really speak to your research abilities and contributions — ideally, not just your advisors, but people well known in your field. Evidence of good teaching if you're applying to a more teaching-oriented place. —CovertProfessor

2008-11-10 08:45:28   Sorry, you caught me at a busy time. Er, I suppose you actually didn't manage to catch me, since you know, I was so busy. I'm sorta lame like that. See you Friday for bagels, I assume..... —StaceyEllis

2008-11-20 08:37:07   Bagels are more important than anything. Including bagels. —StaceyEllis

2008-11-20 20:05:12   Bagels from Chico are better than bagels from Davis. —RyanMikulovsky

2008-11-20 22:10:37   I'm quite happy that my bagels have caused this interwiki feud. How fun to watch the wikifolk debate the merits of so many delicious bagels! Mmmmm...bagels... —StaceyEllis

2008-11-22 16:47:36   Where should Davis Grid Computing Cows be linked from? —JasonAller

2009-01-07 13:53:09   IDogNotExist? —SunjeetBaadkar

2009-01-13 23:52:18   Human beings exist therefore you are *NOT* a human being. —Michael777

2009-01-15 00:08:28   Also note that Sara Kohgadai (who appears to be anti-gun) wrote in an editorial in yesterday's Aggie, something along the lines of having a gun giving one a rush of confidence (I don't recall the exact wording). —BrendanChan

2009-01-23 19:00:26   You've made your position abundantly clear on Students for Concealed Carry on Campus/Discussion; how about making some edits that improve the wiki now? —JasonAller

2009-01-31 21:54:37   you have photo, please send —StevenDaubert

This is an unusual paragraph. I'm curious as to just how quickly you can find out what is so unusual about it. It looks so ordinary and plain that you would think nothing was wrong about it. In fact, nothing is wrong with it! It is highly unusual though. Study it and think about it, but you still may not find anything odd. But if you work at it a bit, you might find out. Try and do so without any coaching!

2009-02-25 21:26:11   We really need a good page to link to about sockpuppets. Care to create it? —JasonAller

2009-02-25 21:53:16   Check all the pages that had the text [[Include(Sockpuppet)]] on them. ;) —JasonAller

2009-02-25 22:00:20   Hey, you might not want to mess with Sockpuppet.... it's an include. —WilliamLewis

2009-02-28 16:03:30   Haha, yeah, I was wandering around checking spelling, then I found the All Pages page, so I've been working my way down that. —JoePomidor

2009-03-13 19:26:00   i love that you know about "The Stig" —alismoghaddam

2009-03-21 08:28:16   To some I'm an "honorary" geographer. Also, I joined GLOBAL without realizing it. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-03-21 09:11:06   My current apartment lease ends July 12. So I'm hoping to at least have my things in Davis before then (probably storage). I haven't quite figured out what I'm going to do between then and September, when most leases begin. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-04-07 23:05:54   People would so know who you really were if you indeed existed. —WilliamLewis

2009-04-19 20:35:02   Now that the comment has been killed how about if you handle the Welcome to the Wiki for pnip? —JasonAller

2009-04-25 09:33:18   Hey hey hey hey

what are you doing?

hey hey we should totally hang out sometime!

seriously

touch base now don't be a stranger

c'mon idne —StevenDaubert

2009-06-28 19:19:23   Don't forget about the little guy... —SunjeetBaadkar

2009-07-01 16:06:31   Thanks! See you around town. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-07-01 16:31:15   Not yet. I hope to have everything wrapped up by end of Friday. So I haven't completely left Chico yet. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-07-04 16:11:53   For historical comparison check out "Sam's Mediterranean/Politics" and the other related pages. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 01:39:55   Yes, but it is a public domain wingless dragon. :) If you have a better PD image, feel free to replace it (you know me, I'm not exactly offended if somebody changes something I did on the wiki). —JabberWokky

2009-07-29 02:01:33   Could have been worse — I was trying to stretch it into a pun about a touring motorcycle. —JabberWokky

2009-07-29 13:01:23   haha, thank you for that laugh. Great middle of the day pick me up. :) —EdWins

2009-07-30 01:21:41   If you think I am wrong then correct the info unstead of just stating that u think I am worng. This is a wiki. Use it as such. —RealComputers

2009-07-30 01:34:49   As a tech, I have encountered so many situations in which people have gotten viruses from pop-ups exactily as I describe. Literally it is one of the most common issues I see. Seriously, leave the free advise alone. —RealComputers

2009-07-30 02:18:10   I didnt touch ur comments. —RealComputers

You've inserted your own words into his comments more than once. —wl

2009-07-30 20:06:23   Concerning my computers and space flight, I don't have many details. We've provided computers to the Space Systems Division of Oceaneering for years and they will only give us general information about their use. They have told us that the computers have flown on the shuttle and ISS, running non life-critical experiments and such. As we respect our customers' privacy, I couldn't say much more that that anyway. As for the low-earth satellite application, our uflashTCP controller was used in a college low-earth orbit satellite. —JimStewart

2009-08-02 12:19:01   The server load was randomly really high (but came back down). I have a couple ideas about why this may have been but I can't disclose them for potentially-obvious reasons :) —PhilipNeustrom

2009-08-02 19:48:22   The wiki may have been malfunctioning due to having a user that does not exist. That's just not logical and could certainly cause unpredictable results ;-) —RyanMikulovsky

2009-08-03 09:16:03   (Just so you don't think I'm ignored you, I was busy away from the wiki over the weekend, and by the time I saw your comment, Philip had responded). —JabberWokky

2009-08-06 13:48:45   Possibly next Spring. If not, the Spring after that. (And that's to move back, we may visit next Spring regardless). —JabberWokky

2009-08-20 12:24:53   Research Labs are listed mostly by their department. See Chemistry, for example. —JabberWokky

2009-09-22 17:21:18   It is always possible to overlay vector data atop air photos, but it isn't always the best way of doing things. In this case, the file size would mushroom, unprintable in B&W, and the map may become too busy or unreadable. Putting labels directly into apartment footprints is also possible but because of their close proximity and often small footprints, that would become messy very quickly. Labeling all streets would also have the same impact: many are very small and close together; the map would not be very readable. The key here is that these are maps of apartments in Davis, not a straight map of Davis.

Fortunately most apartments are on major thoroughfares and their given street addresses make it clear what road they are on anyway. The aim here is to create useful maps while not making them so busy that one must really concentrate to read them. It's a difficult job in cartography to find the right balance between conveying information and good presentation. I find that many maps have too much information. So I do not plan on adding aerial backdrops, names of most residential streets, and labeling over apartments. But if you want to make your own based on City of Davis GIS library, that'd be great. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-09-22 18:14:45   You could edit OpenStreetMap yourself and then render maps exactly how you want them to look. —JasonAller

2009-09-22 19:07:24   Are you trying http://www.openstreetmap.org/? What browser are you using? —JasonAller

2009-09-25 13:43:39   He, who? Brian Tagney, Real Computers? I'm sure you know he's been a royal pain in the ass from day one, being very defensive about his own business and trying to promote it over the computer services. With respect to Help Computer Services, start here and work your way forward. —CovertProfessor

2009-09-25 19:22:56   The problem is that then revert will be used as a weapon rather than a positive tool to improve the content. —JabberWokky

2009-09-26 02:11:32   Ah. See, I see "gnome" as an act. Like walking. Not a "class of special people". An editor who signed up 5 minutes ago and corrects some spelling errors is a gnome in my view. It's the act of caring and tending to the garden of the wiki. —JabberWokky

2009-10-27 17:33:24   Careful. —JasonAller

2009-11-01 11:50:46   The wiki is professional? I'd prefer it look all OMG PONIES! —WilliamLewis

2009-11-04 22:56:28   I answered the question you left when you created the Media references page. There is a note there about how you can make the page you created more functional and improve the Wiki History page as well. —JasonAller

2009-11-13 06:50:34   1! —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-16 09:53:41   Good one. —CovertProfessor

2009-11-23 19:00:21   If you look at the wiki history page you will see an established format for dealing with milestone pages. —JasonAller

2009-11-26 12:18:27   Go and welcome Tosh123 to the wiki? Might be more productive than speculating about them. —JasonAller

  • Why didn't you welcome Tosh123 yesterday? I suggested that you welcome the new user yesterday because you'd voiced your opinion about the work gnomes do. —JasonAller

2009-11-28 15:40:36   It's crisp and responsive for me right now. —JabberWokky

2009-12-04 21:02:29   In regard to your comment on Solo Dining: True, but I suppose I should have specified this page towards a more "dinner" type of dining out alone, which I have not seen occur much (besides myself). It's actually pretty rare, even in the big cities, and I'm still trying to figure out how to specify and orient this page towards that... Whether I should just make two extra columns in the table above for Lunch and Dinner, or something else... —H4rry

2010-01-19 10:30:15   If it doesn't exist, can it make a sound? —CovertProfessor

2010-01-19 22:19:20   Very true! —CovertProfessor

2010-01-19 22:48:51   Fixing grammar? Telling JW to have a good nap? —CovertProfessor

2010-01-20 09:11:05   Ah, the return of the time suck, perhaps. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-20 13:12:25   It was decided that it had been long enough. Not by me. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-21 12:31:10   I am trying to aviod causing an issue. Thats all. Is that a problem? —RealComputers

2010-01-26 18:48:56   Nicely done. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-28 10:53:20   Your not paying attention. I am doing everything I can to comprimise. If you actually read through my comments in the order they were posted you will see that clearly. —RealComputers

2010-01-28 11:34:55   Stealthy like a fox. —JabberWokky

2010-02-13 19:14:18   Are you aware that Davis was already the site for a test of how the public could use the internet in the past? —JasonAller

2010-02-13 19:19:29   The Davis Community Network started out as a research project on campus. You might want to talk to some of the people who participated in that project as they have a lot of knowledge that would help with the application. —JasonAller

2010-02-14 23:24:07   A touch of history :) —PhilipNeustrom

2010-02-15 06:38:42   You are an editor even though you don't exist. You can create a new category page for Movie Stars and then a public figure page for the actress. Link movie stars from the movies page and anywhere else it belongs. Consider a master category that would roll up local published authors with other celebrity categories. You've been non-existant for long enough to figure this out. —JasonAller

2010-02-15 12:58:50   So, does that mean that anybody who s/he refers to the wiki and decides to sign up should use the surname Bar Kokhba? —JabberWokky

2010-02-19 20:10:23   A capital idea, old chap... why not use this WikiWiki thing to create just such a proposal? Do be sure to link it both ways to the more libidinous proposals! —JabberWokky

2010-02-19 20:31:05   I will not wipe out the existing page, but I do think that a distinction is necessary between a coordination page and the general wiki page. We can wait to see comments from others involved but I'm of the opinion that the new page is much more accessible to your average reader who has just heard about the Google fiber project. —foo

2010-02-19 21:06:00   How does it feel? —JasonAller

2010-02-19 21:12:29   Foo's changes make sense to me. —EdWins

2010-02-20 15:09:34   They were eaten by the wiki crash a minute ago or were edited out by foo. Yes, I tried adding them twice, and s/he's removed them. I have a copy in a text editor in front of me. —JabberWokky

2010-02-20 15:10:51   Oh, some of them I also consolidated as I put them back in (two to one, mostly to turn them into complete sentences rather than facts without any clear connection to the subject). —JabberWokky

2010-02-20 15:13:18   Are you alright with the way that things have settled down now? I didn't mean to be confrontational; I just want to make this happen as much as you do. I think that the compromise has worked out well. —foo

2010-02-20 15:18:37   I am durn well trying, if people would give me a couple minutes, please. —JabberWokky

2010-02-21 11:19:19   Eh? I don't know what you mean. All I did last night (despite the confusion) was move, group and consolidate what was already there. The only thing I backed away from was the final cleanup, as foo had started doing it while I was trying to make sure everything got into the relevant entries, and I didn't want to conflict with his edits (thus the "SECOND final" series of edits). —JabberWokky

2010-02-21 12:17:54   This page is what I am referring to, or at least the individual bits that are now moot or outdated. Note that that is a Talk page about wiki editing concerns, not the discussion page for the actual subject, which in this case is "Google Fiber for Communities". —JabberWokky

2010-02-22 13:02:56   hey, i'm putting together the organizational meeting for Google Fiber, can you send me an email? [email protected] —KemblePope

2010-02-24 08:37:51   Have you read Mystery Picture/Rules? Take a look at number five. —JasonAller

2010-02-26 01:44:24   I thought it was factual since H.W. signed the bill and W. expanded it. —hankim

2010-02-26 02:37:46   I figured the reader could decide whichever depending on whether the reader has Bush Derangement Syndrome or loves the ADA. But no biggie I guess. —hankim

2010-02-26 07:20:17   Hey, William and I are planning to take a trip to New Canton for lunch on Sunday, would you also be interested? —NickSchmalenberger

2010-03-03 12:41:27   Do you exist after all? —CovertProfessor

2010-03-03 16:09:37   Unfortunately, I have too many looming deadlines. Just as well, since being both covert and not covert is as troubling as existing and not existing. But I very much appreciate the work you're doing. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-03 16:41:45   I'm weaving, I'm weaving! But it all refuses to knit. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-04 13:39:42   I do not think srednivashtar is interested at all in contributing, more so in trying to delete all traces of himself from the Wiki. —hankim

2010-03-06 19:04:57   We should just let him do it and let him leave when he thinks he's done for good then revert everything when he's not watching! =P —hankim

2010-03-07 21:37:09   What do you think? —hankim

2010-03-07 23:55:19   Me too. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-09 10:32:58   Sorry if my concise responses seem angry or mean. They are not meant to be, I am just multitasking. —hankim

2010-03-09 13:43:50   To keep the Criticism page from becoming a total mess, I would like to reply here.

2010-03-09 16:52:50   * I think you misunderstood me. I meant with the billions generated from research, I would think the universities would be more financially stable.

  • My original argument stated that California's taxes to support education will chase away the ones who are paying for California's budget. Properly subsidized education can provide a net return to tax payers, but the current system does not seem to be a properly subsidized education system, especially since the high taxes chase away those who are educated after they graduate, where the net return is supposed to come from. You listed education as an industry, so I became very confused when you started talking about research. Sure, research is performed at the universities and although that may contribute to a few people profiting, they have taken everyone's tax dollars to do so. Of course, you could argue if an industry improves, the entire economy improves, but that does not mean you should just give tax dollars to random companies to improve the economy.
  • Why would oil companies want to invade Iraq if they could get the same oil from Saddam for probably cheaper? What reasoning can you give for oil contributing to the invasion of Iraq besides government incompetence?
  • LA still gets very bad pollution-wise and although some of the regulation might have helped LA, too much of the legislation passed or going through California only harms California's economy without reducing pollution. I believe the one I can most easily recall is the regulation of big screen televisions that passed a while back. —hankim

2010-03-09 17:29:09   So if we ever want new technology, we should just require it by law? California tried this a few time with cars and had to push back several times. Also, this just encourages people to purchase televisions across state lines taking money out of the state. Did you take a look at the articles that I linked to?

Maybe this is just the Bay Area, but quite a few companies have been downsizing and leaving due to current events leaving quite a few laid-off. And the Cato article that I linked to before contradicts what you claim about private industry in California.

I agree education is an industry, but it does not belong on the list that you created because it currently does not create more funding for California than it costs.

Oil companies did have access to Iraq's oil with Saddam in power though. —hankim

2010-03-09 20:57:13   Saving money on electricity is important in my book (financial responsibility and being environmentally responsible can go hand in hand). Once enough people own big screen televisions to realize that they are having an impact on their wallets, the demand probably would increase. Having the government create demand by forcing people to move to new technologies (maybe people who use an antenna really do not care about how clear their televisions are) is unnatural and can cause negative side effects to society by helping a useless company gain an advantage or wasting tax dollars. And there are incentives to be environmentally friendly. In fact, there are enough incentives, that companies are always advertising how environmentally friendly their products are because there is such a demand for these types of products.

As someone planning to jump into the technology industry, I have been keeping a few tabs on companies in the Bay Area. They have not been laying off workers because of the depression, they have been laying off workers because they were moving to Nevada: http://reason.org/news/show/122553.html

P.S. This is sort of like email chess. —hankim

2010-03-10 08:42:20   Most of the stories I hear are from laid-off employees and those who are job-searching. They know that the companies that they worked for have been downsizing in California due to the high operating costs here. I just linked to those sites so that I would not rely only on anecdotal evidence.

For health and safety regulations, why would there not be a market demand for seat belts and airbags? Nowadays, you can see car companies constantly bragging about their safety ratings in their commercials. The thing is that there is a market demand for safer vehicles and companies like Ford started offering these as an option after someone found a need for safety devices and invented them. If I were these car companies, I would probably push for seat belt legislation so that I could force everyone to purchase things that were formerly optional.

You mentioned lead in gasoline, but it took the EPA nearly twenty years to be able to do anything about it due to politicians who were in the pockets of some of the benefiting companies. The reason why the EPA was actually ever able to do anything was because most of the cars that required leaded gasoline were junked at that point in time and there were better alternatives. Of course, if we were to give the EPA too much power, they would just completely destroy our liberties and our economy by regulating whatever they want and because the EPA is subject to political pressure, we would basically be open to tyranny. Which leads me to my next point.

I stated that if the government has too little power over the environment, we are screwed and if it has too much power, we are screwed. So where does that leave us? If we were to not have the EPA and instead made clean air, water, and land issues of private property, then we would be solving problems more efficiently. If an organization like Consumer Reports were to have done a study on the negative effects of leaded gasoline, then someone could sue the companies involved and leaded gasoline would have been eliminated in less time than it took the EPA due to political pressure. Sure, a system like this is not perfect, but unlike what we have now, it is not vulnerable to political pressure, which I feel is quite dangerous. —hankim

2010-03-10 11:42:24   Taxes were not the only reason. You did say that I should talk to business owners for my sources so I gave my anecdotal evidence as well. And just because the cost of living is high somewhere does not mean the quality of workers is high as well. I am sure you could find plenty of qualified engineers in Nevada.

Think about it, if you were a car company and you could have the government pass a law that forces everyone who buys your product to buy something that you only had as an option, would you not support it? If it took car companies decades to realized that safety features made cars more appealing, why did Ford provide seat belts as an option almost twenty years before seat belts were required by law? And Saab even had seat belts come standard as well before the law.

I am saying that whichever path you take with the EPA, there will be too many negative side effects. The problem with the EPA is that it is basically run by politicians and any government agency (no matter how it starts) will become like that. Even environmentalists have criticized the EPA because it has more policy makers than scientists.

What you are referring to is the tragedy of the commons which does occur if there are no property rights assigned to things such as clean air which I did address.

I am not saying that everyone should walk around in fear. I am saying whenever someone disconnected from you says they are doing something for your good, you should be wary because they probably do not know enough about you to make the best decisions and it is best if individuals are left to make decisions for themselves. —hankim

2010-03-10 13:19:39   I gave you an example of where the EPA failed where you said they succeeded. Even for emissions right now, their actions are based on whoever is in charge of the branches of government. The EPA has not done good things in a timely manner in my opinion.

Unless someone had a patent on seat-belts, it's not going to be difficult for everyone else to start adding seat-belts once they see demand go up. Heck, if the demand is high enough, manufacturers would probably pay to use seat-belts. I gave examples of Ford and Saab providing seat belts without government intervention because it shows that the market ups the safety standards way before the government does and basically the government only creates a floor that is a nuisance to free choice. Maybe some people value price and better miles per gallon over safety (especially if someone wanted a car to only drive locally, there is also an argument here for SUVs and such), but thanks to government intervention, people are unable to choose. People who want safety features in their cars will buy cars with them and use them. Does the government really need to protect people from themselves if they believe that in certain circumstances that they do not need them?

With current communication technology, companies interact with each other all over the world without too much trouble. Distance being a barrier to communication and interaction is pretty much meaningless now. And of course tourism is going to go down when people's wallets are thinner, but that does not mean companies are not moving away from California. —hankim

2010-03-11 15:03:24   Love the Alan Smithee link... almost had a roflcopter moment —WesOne

2010-03-14 11:22:58   Hello, I'm new to Davis Wiki, and so thanks for dropping by! Also, I enjoyed the Shakespeare reference that you left on the March 4 controversy page. Happy Pi Day! —Myself

  • I missed it. Where was the reference? -jw

2010-03-18 02:49:50   Crepe house Uni is gone... forever? ::sob:: Really? —MichellePalmer

2010-03-19 14:43:53   The secret ingredient was crack. At least that would explain my crepe house uni withdrawal symptoms! —MichellePalmer

2010-03-28 13:31:23   Sarah and I used to sit at the Silver Skillet — at the 49er truck stop which was roughly equidistant from where she lived in Davis and where I lived at the time north of Sacramento — and figure out the fundamental options for engineering in 24th century Trek. We started because of the Starfleet Corps of Engineers series of books (which I recommend!), and we figured out some really nifty explanations for things like the routine use of neutronium. At least as nifty and fun as the various ones periodically published in the various non-canon Trek books and RPG material. Although they pale in comparison to the hijinks she came up with what they do at Starfleet Medical as training hazing. Can you imagine how many Academy cadets wake up with a hangover and a single solid buttock due to a drunken night and an evil minded friend who swiped a dermal regenerator? —JabberWokky

2010-03-28 13:45:02   Cadets generally don't have a deflector dish around to focus the inverted tachyon beam. —JabberWokky

2010-03-28 17:58:51   So, say, Symposium is a bad entry? —JabberWokky

2010-03-28 18:11:42   I've heard these arguments before. Personally, I wouldn't be interested at all in the wiki were it devoid of community input and turned into dry fact with a segregated, second class section for actual people. —JabberWokky

2010-04-02 00:05:27   Thanks. —JabberWokky

2010-04-02 23:33:27   I enjoyed the back page, sir. Nice work. —jefftolentino

2010-04-25 14:59:08   I am saying there might be more opportunities for date rape. —hankim

2010-04-25 15:08:40   Yep, but if people are moved away from bars and stores, they're going elsewhere to find alcohol and some might take advantage of those people. —hankim

2010-05-01 20:37:10   You want to demonstrate how to handle this? —JasonAller

2010-05-01 20:59:16   You have indeed correctly identified my primary reasons for being anonymous, aside from just in general being a private person. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-03 13:54:31   You need to spend less time pissing JasonAller off and more time making productive edits. If you're interested in contributing to Project Sycamore, you can check out our code repository at http://github.com/philipn/sycamore. We're an open-source project with no paid employees, so we rely on the volunteer work of others to continue to improve. —BrentLaabs

  • Jason's issues are his own, and I have nothing to do with them. This is a wiki, where everyone can contribute in their own way. No one is under any obligation to make any particular type of edits, and certainly not to contribute in the ways that Jason wants them to. It's a volunteer effort. I've made no commitments to Jason. I do have very significant commitments that are unrelated to the Wiki, and that I need to spend virtually all of my time on, rather than focusing on wiki maintainance. I've said this many times, and I'm going to continue to spend my time on what I *need* and am *obligated* to spend my time on, rather than what Jason would like me to spend my time on. If Jason's expectations are not being met, he should probably rethink his expectations rather than trying to pressure people into conforming to them or getting angry when they don't. If he is taking other people's wiki editing personally, he shouldn't, because it isn't about him. —IDoNotExist

the above was tl:dr just stop bugging him already and go do more of your schoolwork, gad Daubert Post Script: the nerd in me wonders why your name doesn't link in this instance

Dauberts link posted above is NOT work safe. Just a heads up. It happened to me. — jefftolentino

2010-05-04 21:56:54   I did read it silly ^__~ —StevenDaubert

2010-05-06 12:13:36   Yeah, I can see why. It's unfortunate. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-06 12:14:50   Perhaps some behind-the-scenes suggestions? —CovertProfessor

2010-05-12 18:12:35   I am The Doctor and I am Sparticus! —CovertProfessor

2010-05-12 22:55:48   Or rather, I am the only timelord (see JW's comment earlier on my page). Or am I? It's hard for me to remember. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-13 11:05:04   It's all that eating out that does it. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-14 22:07:28   Yeah... fun fun fun. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-09 16:14:30   Anything specific or just anything they label as spicy? —hankim

2010-06-14 19:38:03   By the way, my edit comment on Segundo isn't directed at you specifically. The "tag and move on" editing always irks me a bit when it's easy to look up, but you don't tend to do it. When I looked back at the RC, it came off much more harsh than I intended. Sorry for any offense. —JabberWokky

2010-06-14 21:06:17   Yup - that's why it wasn't personal. I found it by Google — something like "UC Davis University Construction Segundo". The link I found is in the text. —JabberWokky

2010-06-16 21:22:26   Yeah, me too. I only went to Thai Dynamite once or twice (and really liked it), but now it's something else. Then there's the new place, which I haven't been to, and another place that is coming in... I mean I love Thai food but this is crazy! —CovertProfessor

2010-06-16 21:36:27   I really liked 2k Thai, Thai 2K (whatever) when I first moved here. But then it seemed to go downhill, and became my least favorite Thai restaurant in Davis. And based on what I've heard about KetMoRee, things seem to have gotten worse and I am just not motivated to check them out. I'd rather go to Nakorn or Thai Bistro or Sophia's. And yeah, I doubt Davis can support that many Thai restaurants. I wish I were confident that "the best always win," but my experience says that that isn't true. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-16 22:26:02   Ah, yes, I have not been to Red Noodle 88 either (or whatever it is called). That seems somewhat more appealing. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-17 08:45:41   Hmm, I don't see your comment on the Red 88 Noodle Bar page. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-17 17:55:43   What it comes down to is google making an ISP, and then finding out if they support net neutrality (pretty sure brin and page do) —StevenDaubert

2010-06-17 21:07:46   Hmm, if someone who doesn't exist leaves a comment, will the comment exist? —CovertProfessor

2010-06-23 21:00:58   Can you send me an email? It can be from a proxy address. Just needs to work.. —PhilipNeustrom

2010-08-05 16:55:10   I love your page, IDNE! —AshleyHamidi

2010-11-06 09:22:21   Pretty sure I saw you not existing at Yolo Berry last night! —TomGarberson

2010-11-20 09:28:08   Thanks for fixing that rather nasty warning on the Christianity page. —TomGarberson

2011-01-13 05:13:36   I saw "The Station" on the internet, but didn't know of the Davis connection. I thought of you when I made a comment with "doesn't exist". Someone who exists thinks that this page is worthless, but leave it to someone who does not exist! —BruceHansen

2011-04-01 02:34:53   ˙ɯǝɥʇ xıɟ puɐ ob oʇ ʎzɐן ooʇ ɯ,ı puɐ ʞɐǝɹq pןnoʍ sʞuıן ɹnoʎ ʇɐɥʇ pǝzıןɐǝɹ ı uǝɥʇ ʇnq 'pɟɐ ɹoɟ uʍop-ǝpısdn ʇxǝʇ s,ǝbɐd ǝɹıʇuǝ ɹnoʎ buıddıןɟ ʇnoqɐ ʇɥbnoɥʇ ı —AlexanderHo

2011-06-13 22:45:53   Dear IDoNotExist,

A year and a half ago, you accepted my challenge to a nerd duel. I have tried to locate you ever since for said duel, but to no avail due to the fact that you do not exist. As such, I am forced to forfeit the match. You win the nerd duel. The person who is nerdier than the woman formerly known as Karina Summers does not exist. By a small logical leap, we see that I am, in fact, THE NERDIEST.

Rock on. —KarinaSummers

2011-09-04 23:18:41   Do you enjoy pie? —JudithTruman

  • This is not a pie. —IDoNotExist
  • The pie is a lie. —TomGarberson
  • Uneasy lies the head that wears a pie. —IDoNotExist
  • A pie ceases to be a pie the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a very large and flat cupcake. —JabberWokky
  • The great enemy of the dinner is very often not the pie, deliberate, contrived and baked, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and low in calories. —IDoNotExist

2011-09-09 04:57:48   What does it mean for flooring to be wavy rather than flat? As in, the floors aren't level? —jsogul

2011-10-31 12:31:17   Yeah-heah! It's IDONOTEXIST! Haha. . .That is so cool! —AshleyHamidi

2011-10-31 12:32:12   Awesome page, by the way. Simple, yet very elegant! —AshleyHamidi

2011-11-02 06:59:13   Yeah, I'm just not really good with the computer! —AshleyHamidi

2011-11-02 06:59:16   Yeah, I'm just not really good with the computer! —AshleyHamidi

2011-11-03 18:02:37   There's a lot to consider politically about GM foods but people need to stop being so afraid of the science behind them. When it comes down to it, barring some huge natural disaster, we are going to need this tech someday. If the world population keeps increasing exponentially, maybe not tomorrow or even 100 years from now, but eventually we're going to need to grow food in places it won't want to grow and make it nutritionally complete. This is going to make GM essential. Right now it's just a fun scifi story but it could be reality generations down the road. I want to help people be a little less afraid of the science. Nothing depresses me more than someone who is anti GMO proclaiming they don't want "DNA" in their food. **Facepalm** —OliviaY

2011-11-04 19:51:50   Really? Which of my arguments against GMOs were not based on science? I am really, really getting tired of being portrayed as anti-science or ignorant about science, when I am neither. I support (believe in, want to see study of and funding for) evolution, global warming, stem cell research, the space program, even cloning. Not GMOs. There are too many concerns about the potential impacts on humans and other species. And whether those impacts are acceptable is not purely a question of science, no matter what anyone says. —CovertProfessor

2011-11-06 08:16:45   Gotta go now, will write more later. —CovertProfessor

2011-11-08 02:42:06   two weeks —StevenDaubert

2011-11-08 12:54:42   no, the experts on the subject of GMO —StevenDaubert

2011-11-09 19:52:57   Cool page, IDNE! —AshleyHamidi

2011-11-22 14:01:26   Thanks! I just sent her a message on Facebook. I'm just wondering if we can get explicit permission to use his now very famous image here :) (It'd also be great if she licensed it under a creative commons license!) —PhilipNeustrom

2011-12-06 13:41:40   Hey, would you mind asking Louise to send me an email ([email protected]) just saying it's cool to use her photo as long as it's attributed? Folks on Wikipedia want to use the image, too, but they're stuck without any explicit permission :0 —PhilipNeustrom

2011-12-06 15:07:21   Thanks! —PhilipNeustrom

2012-09-03 00:19:49   I was just looking for the description of what that hoisting shaft in the stairwell on the west side of kemper is for, and I found it in a facebook post on the CS Club page. Can you post it on the kemper page here? —NickSchmalenberger

2013-04-30 16:30:27   Re: The Ramble Apartments-thanks for reverting it. I was trying to generate some discussion and involvement with them at The Ramble Apartments/talk before just reverting. —PeteB

2013-04-30 17:03:42   What is the purpose of this page? I see philosophical jokes but regular questions and comments too. Enlighten me. —ConstantiaOomen

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